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  It gets better. Part II of "Apostates are blown out of the water"

  by never a jw in

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  just a recap.. i posted a thread yesterday about an exchange of e-mails with a well known and respected elder and c.o.

  sibstitute in a spanish circuit somewhere in the u.s. the man is about 50, raised in the truth, belongs to a family where all men are at least elders.

  he is proud to have forsaken his dream of becoming a doctor to serve jehovah.

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  Black Sheep

  Your question was far too broad and vague. If you want him to confront something, keep your question short and explicit and provide a reference that he trusts
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  Well...Finally my coming out story....

  by Botzwana in

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  i was known as bane on here....i have gone through alot.

  this is my story as best as i can recollect.

  it has taken alot of courage to write this and post this...be gentle.... http://monstercafesaltillo.blogspot.mx/2013/03/my-jehovahs-witness-story-part-1.html.

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  Black Sheep

  I remember your 'Bane' well. Getting banned without ...... somehow .... losing your posting 'privileges'. LOL

  I'l read your story later tonight.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  Apostates are blown out of the water by an elder's response to my e-mail

  by never a jw in

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  the following are two emails (one mine, one from an elder) that are part of an exchange regarding the unfairness of shunning.

  he is an elder and a substitute of the c.o.

  he comes from a "highly decorated" family of jw's.

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  Black Sheep

  They have let themselves be convinced of another truth.
  
  We each need to decide what "truth" we will believe.

  Rubbish statements. You don't have to already have an alternative belief system in order to understand that the crap taught by the people that scammed you and your family is wrong. Understanding that you have been lied to by your church leaders is the beginning of your journey, not the end.

  Pick a subject that undermines selection as god's channel. Be specific, a short question composed in grammar that a ten year old could understand and requires an answer that is documented, not a personal opinion.
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  Hello

  by newdawnfades in

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  i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

  i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

  i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

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  Black Sheep

  Welcome to the forum NDF

  Which is the most likely to yield the best result? You telling your family that they have been raised in a cult, or your family telling you that you raised them in a cult?
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  Is a slow fade being selfish when you have kids?

  by dissonance_resolved in

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  so i got some great advice to take things very slowly with the husband and kids in order to be able to fade and still maintain contact with my parents and siblings.

  but today i got a call from my son's teacher that he was having a meltdown because he was worried about all his friends and teachers being destroyed at armageddon.... first i felt like such a schmuck for ever having allowed that thought to enter my son's head, then i thought, is it psychological torture for me not to immediately correct the situation?

  i had a long talk with him about how god is perfectly just and full of love and he didn't have to worry about that at all, but it still seemed lukewarm.

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  Black Sheep

  I had a long talk with him about how God is perfectly just and full of love and he didn't have to worry about that at all, but it still seemed lukewarm.

  Of course it seemed lukewarm. How can a loving god be a murderer of your kid's schoolmates? What did they do wrong? Get born to the wrong parents?

  You need to teach your kids critical thinking skills so that when anyone, including yourself, tries to use rubbish logic on them, they can recognise it and not get sucked in. If that makes you look like a right wally at times, so be it. It is better to have them tell you that they don't believe the WT's BS, or your defense of the WT's BS, than to go through their lives thinking that the WT's killer god is real and Mummy and Daddy are to be trusted even when they talk utter bollocks. I know, because I was one of those kids.

  Before you start, remember every warning sign that the WT, via you, has told your kids to use to identify dangerous apostate thinking and make sure you never cross the line and lose the abilty to have a sensible conversation with them. Tricky questions can be answered with "I don't know!", "What do you think? etc., without you ever expressing an opinion that will have them blanking you out.

  While doing this, it would be best to have the appearance of a SuperDub, not a fader.

  Start here

  Teach Your Child How to Think: Edward de Bono: 9780140238303 ...
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  How do I tell my husband?

  by dissonance_resolved in

  1. jw
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  i'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.

  i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.

  i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.

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  Black Sheep

  Go for it. Act like SuperDub, but ask difficult questions in a way that makes him really want to have sensible answers. If he ever stops trying to answer them, you want to know why.
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  the seven trumpets have not yet been sounded

  by MASIMBA in

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  in the book revelation its grand climax at hand in chapter 18 (earthquakes in the lords day) on page 112, the writers mention that the sixth seal is going to be opened some time in the future and yet they go on to mention in chapter 21 (jehovahs plagues on christendom) that the seven trumpets have already been blown and they give explanations of the fulfillment of these trumpet blasts in mankinds history.

  however, i believe it is impossible for the seven trumpets to have been sounded before the opening of the sixth seal because firstly, as they pointed out in the book, the sounding of the seven trumpets is ushered in by the opening of the seventh seal, which seal is only opened after the sixth seal has been opened as happened with the other seals.

  the seals were opened or are opened in order form the first to the seventh, which is the last, without skipping one and going to the next.

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  How do I tell my husband?

  by dissonance_resolved in

  1. jw
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  i'm a born in, baptized as a young teenager, whole family is jw.

  i just recently woke up after the new understanding of the fds was announced and it seemed to me to smack of power-grabbing.

  i started looking at all the websites we're not supposed to, and now i know why.

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  Black Sheep

  You don't tell him anything.

  Don't do his thinking for him.

  Don't even express an opinion of your own & don't tell him you think it isn't The Truth.

  Just ask the odd question, choosing subjects that bother him (not just you), then use questions to point out any double standards, dishonesty, distractions & diversions, contradictions, etc..

  If you can get him to take a position that you know is contradicted by the WT, get him to commit to that position, then, later, after he has had time to think about it, hand him an article that contradicts him and let him do all of the talking. If he can find other articles that support his position, ask which one he thinks is correct? why? why the difference? etc., and don't forget to look at the dates to see if these are reversions to previously held positions.

  You don't need to get into any arguements, or have a 'win'. Never expect him to capitulate during a discussion. If he can't sleep that night, you have done enough.

  You need him to tell you it isn't The Truth. He won't do that while you're doing all the talking.
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  My chat with an Elder about the UN thing! Help!

  by awakening in

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  well it was a very long discussion.

  the elder knew nothing about the scandal, but he stated that he had no issue with it since when the case was brought to light, the society acted immediately to right their course.

  in fact he thought it was a sign that that the organisation was indeed the "truth".

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  Black Sheep

  jwfacts has a great responce if the Elder brings up the subject again.

  Remember that a JW who has invested most of his life into this insanity isn't going to be honest with you about what is going on in his head, so never expect a capitulation. Leave it to fester and pick another subject. The subject must undermine 'Selection'.

  Pose everything as a question and never offer an opinion.

  Why bother talking to an Elder, anyway? He's not your family and he may order your family to shun you if he sees you wearing an APOSTATE HAT. Save your questions for people you really care about.
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  Just my little story

  by MinistryOfTruth in

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  i have been lurking here for about a month or two.

  it is really awesome to read so many similar experiences.. for example, when i was still 'in' i wondered if i was the only one in the hall that really hated the meetings.

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  Black Sheep

  Welcome to the Great Unwashed Class. There's not many of us here.

  Cheers